04/24/14


Peter Andrews

Voices in the Night

by Peter Andrews

I’m one of six. I shared a room all my life until I reached high school. When I turned that magical age, my older brother and sister both were out of the house, and I was offered the smallest bedroom in the house. Mine. All mine.

To make the point, I was allowed input on the decor. I had all the taste and distinction of a teenage boy, so the furniture (including a wonderful solid wood desk) was all painted flat black. The walls became “champagne orange,” a statement color to say the least. I’m not sure I want to know what that statement meant.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dragged up an ancient television from the basement. Round-screen. Green. Permanently blurry. With this, I got my first experiences of the otherwise forbidden Twilight Zone (in reruns). I hooked pennants into the top of my blind until every American League team was represented.

My prize possession fit into the palm of my hand. It was a crystal radio I bought from my sister. She charged me a dollar. It got one station, WTOP, which was CBS, all news and talk. Every evening, I’d stick the earpiece in and listen until I fell asleep. Sometimes, that meant I woke up with a wire around my neck, and more than once, I found the radio broken. I always succeeded in repairing it. Listening to the station became a key part of discovering the world.

 

 

 

 

 

The issues taken on as the station broadcast into the night gave me deeper insights on civil rights, introduced me to feminism, provided an array of perspectives on the Vietnam War, and gave me a peek into the lives of writers, economists, artists, politicians, and actors.

An interview was likely to take a full hour, with terrific questions. They set the bar for me — my career has included hundreds of interviews — for  preparation and listening to people’s answers. Today, it is more common than not to hear an interviewer head off in a wrong direction because they know nothing about the topic, and I agonize as they ask questions that have already been answered. I never heard that happen years of late-night listening to WTOP.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The call-in shows were respectful and represented a variety of points of view from listeners — without any of them being shoved around by the broadcasters. There was no shouting, no coarse language, and, while some views were extreme, little in the way of demonizing.

Often, I was groggy the next morning because I didn’t want to miss a thing. Frequently, I was inspired to head to the library after one of these shows, and lots of my school papers included information and perspectives that would have been impossible if I hadn’t developed this habit of listening.

Perhaps the most important thing these shows did was guide me through the tragedies of those years. The assassinations. The riots. Horrible accidents and catastrophes. I lay in bed and listened to adults struggling to absorb these blows, to test out possible futures, to find consolation, and to make sense of painful changes. The answers were less important to me than my getting a window into how grownups approach a difficult world and the limits to their success.

Pretty good value for a dollar.



04/22/14


Claranne Perkins

Savage Deception

by Claranne Perkins

 

It’s good to be back with the Muse after a long absence due to personal illness. I’m much better now and am returning to the Muse with good friend and former guest blogger R.T. Wolfe. When R.T. last visited us in 2013, she discussed feelings of sadness she had at saying goodbye to some of her characters.

She decided she didn’t have to say goodbye to some of those folks, especially Detective Nickie Savage, who was introduced in her Black Creek Series. Now, Savage Deception, is the first in a three-book romantic suspense series featuring Det. Savage.

According to the book blurb, “busy juggling loan sharks and Amber Alerts, Detective Nickie Savage makes time when the FBI seeks her expertise with a child trafficking ring. But when Nickie discovers that the men running the ring are the same ones who abducted her as a young teen, the case gets personal.

“Risking her badge, Nickie goes rogue. Luckily, she has Duncan Reed, along with his wire-tapping and surveillance expertise. But Duncan also wants to take their relationship to the next level.

“Now, Nickie must choose: break her own rules and risk her heart or forge ahead alone.”

Savage Deception is a good read, covering a topic (child trafficking) that is beginning to get national attention. It’s a better read of you invest your time in  Savage Echoes, the short story prequel currently available for free at any of the sites offering the book for sell.

Without the prequel, I found the opening of the book confusing and might have put it down if I didn’t have a personal interest in the topic and liked the characters. In fact, while I was reading Savage Deception, I was at a state convention where one of the workshops was on child trafficking. One of the speakers had been “recruited” to the life while a young teen.

R.T.’s book seems to accurately reflect some of the issues and concerns discussed in the workshop which was important to me. In addition, R.T.’s characters are richly drawn and emotionally interesting.

I found the mixing of Duncan’s passionate artist side with his wire-tapping and surveillance expertise a satisfying character twist.

R.T. is offering a $100 gift card to Amazon or Barnes and Nobles. Feel free to visit R.T. at any of her sites listed below.

 

R. T.’s bio 

R.T. Wolfe enjoys creating diverse characters and twining them together in the midst of an intelligent mystery and a heart encompassing romance. It’s not uncommon to find dark chocolate squares in R.T.’s candy dish, her Golden Retriever at her feet and a few caterpillars spinning their cocoons in their terrariums on her counters. R.T. loves her family, gardening, eagle-watching and can occasionally be found viewing a flyover of migrating whooping cranes.

 

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04/10/14


Peter Andrews

Dusty Books

by Peter Andrews

Predictable. I had money in my pocket, and I walked past a used bookstore everyday. Which meant, even though I am a painfully slow reader, my personal library got its start to the tune of a couple of books a week.

Many of them were suggested by the owner, the wife of a retired University of Maryland professor. She had an amazing knowledge of her inventory, and she was almost always right when she suggested something. She was the one who got me interested in Graham Greene — something way out of my zone of reading.

I can thank the Gonzaga faculty for some of my choices. I loved my German classes so much that I picked up almost anything written in that language, including a gorgeous book of Renaissance Art. But I also grabbed German or English versions of Kafka, von Kliest, Hesse, Thomas Mann, and a dozen others.

English class pointed me toward Steinbeck and Vonnegut. I read a lot more of the former than the latter. And because KV was filed in the SF section, I ended up picking up some anthologies included the works of New Wave writers like Zelazny and Harlan Ellison.

I was totally overwhelmed by this stuff. Heinlein, Bradbury, and Asimov suddenly seemed old-fashioned. After almost four years of not picking up SF, I was hooked. I couldn’t get enough of the newer writers, to the point where I badgered librarians to get copies of the latest works of my favorites and I even bought new books–unheard of given my stinginess.

A few years later, after encouragement by one of Gonzaga’s priests, I was writing my own stories, many in the vein of my own heroes. I recently had to state as part of a query to an agent who I felt I wrote most like. Even though the correct answers should always be Stephen King, Nora Roberts, or James Patterson, I fearlessly said Roger Zelazny. I don’t know if it is fair to compare my work to his, but I feel very comfortable with his humor, his rhythms, his themes, and his prose.

I had the terrific good fortune to have Harlan Ellison as one of my teachers at the Clarion Writers Workshop, and he generously took time to talk with me even years afterward. I’m fortunate to have recordings of him reading his stories, but I’ve been even more fortunate to hear him read them in person many times.

I still find bookstores irresistible, especially used bookstores. They have a special magic that lures me in. And, though my life has not been changed by as much by any other bookstore, I remain hopeful.



03/31/14


Lizbeth Selvig

Babies Times Three

by Lizbeth Selvig

March 31st—a day to wax schmaltzy and celebrate three babies in my life. Today I have a tale of three babes, each with a unique personality, and each related to the others in such a random way the connections can only be cosmic. One is no longer an infant (far from it), one I haven’t met yet, and one is not human, but each is a vital part of me. Read the rest of this entry »



03/27/14


Peter Andrews

Fish Sauce

by Peter Andrews

Here is how you make fabulous, secret fish sauce. Take two envelopes of dried onion soup mix, plus a one-quart jar of sweet pickle relish (drained), and add them to a 10-gallon bucket of mayonnaise. Wash your arm thoroughly several inches up past the elbow. Shake dry, and begin manually folding the ingredients together until the whole bucket is homogeneous.

Ah, the magic of handmade garnishes at my first burger joint. For a long summer between Junior and Senior years, I did everything at a fast food place close enough to walk to (about a mile from home). This was the job where I got my first uniform–a brown and yellow shirt and a paper hat. It’s where I first registered a Social Security number for my income–although, I’m pretty sure I got a digit wrong. I hope it at least applied to the credits for one of my sibs whose card would have been in the same series.

Other than fish sauce detail, which left me with a frozen, aching arm, my least favorite job was the cash register. As an extremely shy person, dealing directly with customers and, in those days, doing calculations for change in my head, I found it nerve-racking. The low point was when one customer kept coming back complaining about too few apples in his apple pie. Sure enough, every time he bit into one, it looked half empty. I collected each bitten-into apple pie, dumped it in the counting bucket, and made the man a new one. After about five pies were dispatched, he was too full to try anymore, and I gave him his money back. When the manager went through the counting bucket, where all flawed or rejected food was audited at the end of the day, he had some serious questions for me.

My favorite job was sweeping the parking lot. Since I tend to be a rather thorough person, I cleaned every corner of the lot on my first try, absorbing about three hours of the workday. By my calculations, this cost the company $4.65. I was told that in the future, “spot cleaning” was sufficient. My spot cleaning took about a half-hour (less than $.80), and it wasn’t unusual for me to find lost change. One time I found a ten-dollar bill and another time I found a twenty.

My boss was a serious student of the Chicago Journal of Surface Anatomy, which he usually perused with the office door shut. The one exception was an issue that featured the girls of the University of Maryland. Since the college was just down the road, he became excited about possibly meeting one of these females, and he asked everyone if they recognized any faces. As I recall, faces weren’t what was featured in that issue.

The biggest excitement on this job still makes me sad. The safe left open, and money was found to be missing. Each one of us got questioned by a county detective. For some reason, I wasn’t nervous at all. My biggest concern was for the assistant manager, who I still remember as being terrific and kind. She was on the hook since the money disappeared on her watch.

After talking to the detective, she told me the whole story more than once. My chief reply was, “It’ll be okay.” Eventually suspicion shifted to a young woman who had just come on staff a week earlier. She was poor and miserable, and it didn’t take long before she confessed. The manager was pleased that she was discovered, and even more pleased that she had scooped up a couple of rolls of quarters, which put her take just over $100. That meant she could be charged with a felony. Of course, the assistant manager was more sympathetic, as was I. She blamed herself for putting temptation in the way of this young girl by failing to close the safe in a timely manner.

For everyone but the manager, it was a gloomy day. But luckily, we had a lot of hamburgers and fries to make, and that distracted us from the sad events.



03/21/14


Cathy Perkins

Island Inspiration – Guest Post Julie Lindsey

by Cathy Perkins

Julie Lindsey is a fellow Carina author who released a new mystery this month, the second in her Seaside series. Please welcome her to the Muse while she tempts us with her island retreat.

 

Island Inspiration

In 2007, about four years before I knew I was a writer, my family visited a tiny East Coast island on vacation. It was the kind of place that worms into your soul and grows there. I never wanted to leave. In some ways, I really haven’t. For those of you who aren’t familiar, Chincoteague is a small island off the coast of Virginia. When I say “small” I mean 3×7 miles small. The tiny island community is delightfully unusual, made up of some transient folks who spend the winters elsewhere and others who stay year round. There are quaint little shops and gulls galore. Fishermen and tourists. Craftsmen and artesians. When it finally occurred to me I wanted to write a novel, I knew this was the perfect setting and I couldn’t wait to get started.

I can still vividly remember the scent of brine and salt in the heavy humid air and how the evenings smelled of ash from grills and bonfires with a note of butter from families eating dinner on their decks. I close my eyes and see the weathered boards of the fishing pier and the curving steps to the lighthouse. Chincoteague had everything I needed to tell my tale. The small community was great for lovable secondary characters. The island setting was perfect for romance. The national forest was great for scary chase scenes.

Yep. There’s even a national forest! Chincoteague’s sister island, Assateague, is attached by a long bridge over a marsh. Assateague is home to a national forest, national seashore, historic lighthouse and the famous wild ponies. Wild. Ponies. You see? The possibilities for romance and mystery were unending. I couldn’t resist.

Murder Comes Ashore is the second book in my new cozy series set on this island. I wish I could write a dozen more. I’ve never had so much fun writing anything. Rediscovering the sights and sounds of the island was a task I cherished. I only hope I did the town justice.

If you’re looking for a fun new mystery series, I hope you’ll consider Murder Comes Ashore. You’ll find mystery, chemistry and fun. Plus, who doesn’t need an island get away?

Have you ever visited a place that didn’t leave you when you went home?

Murder Comes Ashore 

Patience Price is just settling into her new life as resident counselor on Chincoteague Island when things take a sudden turn for the worse. A collection of body parts have washed up on shore and suddenly nothing feels safe on the quaint island.

Patience instinctively turns to current crush and FBI special agent Sebastian for help, but former flame Adrian is also on the case, hoping that solving the grisly crime will land him a win in the upcoming mayoral election.

When the body count rises and Patience’s parents are brought in as suspects, Patience is spurred to begin her own investigation. It’s not long before she starts receiving terrifying threats from the killer, and though she’s determined to clear her family’s name, it seems the closer Patience gets to finding answers, the closer she comes to being the killer’s next victim.

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About Julie:

Julie Anne Lindsey is a multi-genre author who writes the stories that keep her up at night. She’s a self-proclaimed nerd with a penchant for words and proclivity for fun. Julie lives in rural Ohio with her husband and three small children. Today, she hopes to make someone smile. One day she plans to change the world.

Murder Comes Ashore is a sequel in her new mystery series, Patience Price, Counselor at Large, from Carina Press.

 

Learn About Julie at: Julieannelindsey.com



03/20/14


Lora Bailey

It’s SPRING!

by Lora Bailey

 

Thank GOODness, right?  I know we aren’t completely done with the “white stuff” just yet, but I am so grateful to be celebrating the first day of spring. This has certainly been a long winter, for sure.

I love to hear the return of the birds in the morning and I can already feel the warmth of sunnier days.  Spring is always so full of hope and promise, I can’t wait to dig into whatever new project I select for myself.

Every year about this time I go on a spring cleaning frenzy.  I go through closets and drawers and purge my household of items no longer of use.  I didn’t think I’d feel the frenzy this year, given our move to a new house 4 months ago, but I found myself spending most of last Sunday filling boxes and bags for donation.

I guess it’s my way of making room for what’s to come.  I have a ton of gardening ideas for the new yard, and I still have a few room re-do’s to finish on the inside.  Yet, spring is always the time to start a new writing project, and I’m very happy that I have two new stories in the works!

Also around this time is a ‘spring break’ type of vacation to somewhere warm with no snow.  Unfortunately we had to skip it this year due to the house move.  Perhaps that’s why the arrival of spring has me so jazzed this year.

How do you celebrate the arrival of spring?

 

 



03/19/14


Livia Quinn

Dreams, RNC and The Best Laid Plans

by Livia Quinn

Spring is upon us! Or it’s supposed to be. I vote for no more of this.

No ice storms. No snow. No black ice. No more cold.
And more of this. Flowers, sunshine, blue skies, jogging in the park, kids playing outside and back in school. Yeah!
I can’t complain about the severe Louisiana winter (except for the ridiculous light bill) and being shut in, because I accomplished more writing than I have in two years.After putting my writing on the back seat for personal reasons I’m finally ready to begin the process of relaunching my career in June with the publication of Storm Crazy, the first book in my Storm Lake series. But more about another time.
As all authors know, this is not an overnight process. The writing is key but after book is finished, there’s editing, revising, scheduling, book covers, promotional events, blogging and social media pushes, all of this must be done and the writing has to continue.
Yesterday, I launched my third website since my publication dream began. The only page missing from liviaquinn.com right now is the My Worlds Page (coming soon) where you’ll find a map of Storm Lake and the books from each community which make up the series.

My launch plan for the new series started with a decision to attend the RNC event – no not the GOP convention – but Jimmy Thomas’ Romantic Novel Convention in Las Vegas in July.  If you aren’t familiar with Jimmy Thomas — well, where have you been– Saturn? Seriously, cover model and entrepreneur, romance genre advocate, a staunch educator for romance marketing, Jimmy has over 6000 yep, that’s SIX THOUSAND romance covers to his credit. And last year he put together, singlehandedly, the first Romance Novel Convention which included workshops, book signings, all inclusive pricing for the five day event, costume ball, and cover models…it was a steal. Still is.

There are also the RONE awards for which voting is going on as we speak. These are the awards for small press and indie writers and artists.
Serendipity. The conference coincides with the storylines of my second and third release so well that it just seemed like a sign. Don’t you just love signs?
One of the things I like best about some of Jimmy’s interviews is what he says about a common phrase we often hear phrased this way, “Things happen for a reason.” Jimmy says, “Things happen for a good reason.
This is so true if you think about it. When I look back at the disruption of my writing career, I’m not disappointed that it was derailed. It made me more determined. I had time to continue studying the craft, to reassess my goals, and to write more books.  People came into my life who have mentored me, unknowingly guided me into making course changes. And now I’m ready to move forward.
Was there a time you thought a catastrophic event or personal situation was bad only to find out later it caused you to move in a better direction?
If you’re thinking about a conference this year, why not check out the Romance Novel Convention? Viva Las Vegas, baby!!
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03/14/14


Cathy Perkins

Secondary but Not Second-rate

by Cathy Perkins

By Sandra Parshall

I hate to haul out a cliché in my first sentence, but it’s true: it takes a village to make a novel. I’m not talking about the business of writing and publishing. I’m referring to all the other fictional people who populate the protagonist’s world.

Sidekicks, secondary characters, walk-ons who appear in one scene or chapter and never show up again — they’re all necessary to create a fully-realized fictional world, and each one deserves thoughtful attention from the author. A great lead can’t come to life in a crowd of cardboard cutouts. Would Sherlock Holmes still be thriving in books and on the screen if Watson, Mrs. Hudson, and Mycroft didn’t have their own vivid personalities and quirks? 

The best secondary characters are worthy of co-protagonist stature. For example, medical examiner Dr. Maura Isles in Tess Gerritsen’s Rizzoli and Isles series started out as a minor character named for a woman who won naming rights at a charity auction. Now she shares billing with Detective Jane Rizzoli and has been the focus of several novels. Robert Crais wrote Joe Pike as Elvis Cole’s enigmatic sidekick in a long string of books, but eventually Pike emerged as a leading man in his own right. 

I love creating secondary characters, whether they’re going to be around for a while or appear in only one book like the villain-of-the-moment. My protagonists, veterinarian Rachel Goddard and her husband Tom Bridger (yes, they got married between books five and six, and he was elected sheriff) have their own story arcs and I must stay true to them and avoid any drastic changes. With supporting characters, though, I can turn my imagination loose.

In Poisoned Ground, the sixth Rachel Goddard mystery, I especially enjoyed writing about Jake Hollinger, an aging lothario sporting Ted Danson hair, whose dalliances with local women have left a nasty trail through the community, and his current love, a seductive widow named Tavia Richardson whose husband died in questionable circumstances.

The adult children of a murdered couple and Hollinger’s adult son are all in the same situation: wondering how they can profit if their parents’ land is sold to a big company that wants to build a mountain resort for the rich in quiet Mason County, Virginia. I had to know each of them thoroughly to make them individuals instead of stereotypical greedy offspring.

My favorite secondary characters in Poisoned Ground are the Jones sisters — Winter, Spring, and Summer — who have never married and still live in the family house with their cats. (The youngest sister, Autumn, died tragically decades ago.) Winter is the disciplinarian, trying to keep her sisters in line. Spring dyes her hair bright gold and loves colorful outfits. Summer is quiet and sweet… or is she?

Series regulars such as Holly Turner and her grandmother and Rachel’s friend Joanna McKendrick have important roles in the story, and I discovered a few things about them I hadn’t known before. That’s one of the pleasures of continuing secondary characters: like old friends, they can still surprise you after you’ve known them for years. 

I’ve always believed that people read mysteries more for the characters than for the clever plots. But the protagonists can’t do it all alone. A full cast of believable, well-developed supporting characters will make the leads shine and leave readers satisfied, regardless of who the villain turns out to be or what his or her motive is. 

Who are some of your favorite supporting characters in crime fiction?

 

Sandra Parshall is the author of the Rachel Goddard Mysteries: The Heat of the Moon, which won the Agatha Award for Best First Novel of 2006; Disturbing the Dead; Broken Places; Under the Dog Star; and Bleeding Through (Sept 2012). A former reporter on newspapers in her home state of South Carolina as well as West Virginia and Baltimore, MD, she now lives in the Washington, DC, area with her journalist husband and two cats.

Learn more at her website http://sandraparshall.com/



03/13/14


Peter Andrews

Flaming Pucks

by Peter Andrews

Brother Fritz was an anomaly among the Jesuits at Gonzaga. Most of the religious were priests, a few were scholastics on the way to taking their vows, but very few had chosen to be brothers. I asked one of the priests why someone would make that choice, and he said there were some men called to serve who did not have the intelligence to master the philosophy, theology, and other disciplines Jesuit priesthood required.

But Brother Fritz was smart. And, unlike some priests, he had powerful skills in getting people to work together and encouraging camaraderie.

He was small, barely older than we were, and almost never without a smile. One distinction, which I didn’t notice but someone else pointed out to me, was his tendency to push his ears forward when he was listening to you. I wonder now if he had some sort of hearing impairment or attention deficit.

He also was virtually unflappable. In the midst of the kind of raucous chaos that can erupt with no reason at all at a boys’ high school, he was always the calm center. I only saw him get agitated once.

When I was a senior, our class was given a gift. The school provided us an alcove in the back of the auditorium, which I presume was once a cloakroom, as a senior lounge. The traditional spot for seniors had been a sectioned off part of the parking lot, where they smoked and snatched freshmen at random for torture. Our spot, newly painted and filled with used overstuffed chairs and couches, was a great place to get together–and no freshmen were harmed in the process. Besides chatting and smoking, the main activity was table shuffleboard. An alumnus had contributed a beautiful set, brand new when I was there, with shiny stainless steel pucks and a long smooth surface. The game was similar to the one played on ships, and also to bocce and curling. We coated the surface with fresh sand and slid our pucks down to the end to gain position or knock an opponent’s puck.

I fell in love of the game. I still love it, although it only found tables in a few bars over the past decades. I often think about installing a table in my house. Anyway, I was playing with a friend, and he got bored. When his turn came up he crumpled a piece of notebook paper, put it on his puck, and set it on fire.

Nothing looked more amazing than that puck gliding down the table with smoke trailing behind it. It reminded me of the movies with old steam engines, puffing their way along the tracks. I was delighted that such an amazing variation on a game I already love had been invented. Soon we had a whole pile of crumpled papers, and there are very few sights so vivid in my imagination as seeing four of these pucks trailing smoke, risking collision, and flying down the table surface at increasing speeds.

I was so absorbed in the game, I barely heard the choking sounds behind me. My friend, however, caught on and crushed out all the flames with his bare hands in the middle of a run.

I turned around to find Brother Fritz, red in the face, with his arms flailing. “Are you crazy? Are you out of your minds?”

My friend said he was sorry, immediately, so Brother Fritz turned all his attention to me. I got a lecture about how easy it would be for this old building to burn to the ground. Oddly, it was something I had not considered. This was new information. And, I thought there was a possibility that I might be in some sort of trouble. He deserved an explanation, so I calmly told him about what we were learning as far as the physics of fire and smoke. As I did this he leaned in and aimed his ears at me.

Now I was completely distracted—partly because someone had pointed this mannerism out to me and partly because I could feel laughter bubbling up inside, looking for escape. To keep myself under control, I continued speaking with in a steadier, quieter way. Brother Fitz leaned in further. He tilted his ears at a more extreme angle. I had the impression that I was being interrogated by Mickey Mouse.

I was definitely at risk for punishment, and I knew something crazy inside of me was going to explode and make things worse. I threw my hands in front of my face to contain the laughter and I began to shake.

Through my fingers, I saw Brother Fritz shift from anger to compassion. He thought I was crying, and he didn’t quite know what to do about that. He put his hand on my shoulder and said, “It’s all right. It’s all right.”

Somehow I found this funny. By now my whole body was spasming. It was too much for Brother Fritz. He turned to my friend who had invented Flaming Pucks. “Can you clean all this up?”

My friend nodded, and Brother Fritz took that opportunity to escape. I took the opportunity to let the laughter out. Side-splitting may not be an exaggeration. The next day, I still was sore.



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